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#1217 of 1700 td19 by nvbanker Sep 19, 2003 (3:40 pm)
I also have had experience with both cars you are considering, and jrc has given you sound advice, IMO. Couple of things he didn't mention, and one I don't completely agree with. That first. The clunk in the driveline of the Tahoe, while normal from the point of it's going to happen to every one of them, is not a good thing and should be fixed. A good grease packing will do it, but you need a mechanic familiar with the problem. He didn't mention that about every one of them (Tahoes) eventually will breach the intake manifold, potentially flooding your engine with coolant. So watch for that. Fuel pumps, alternators and other assorted repairs are to be expected.   The Expeditions generally hold up much better from this vintage, unless you get a bad one, which can happen no matter what you buy.
#1218 of 1700 Re:nvbanker by jrc346 Sep 21, 2003 (6:30 pm)
Thank you for those couple extra bits of information. The only reason I said that the clunk was normal, was because that is what the dealer told my buddy when he inquired about it, LOL! Figures doesn't it? The intake manifold issue is something that I was completely unaware of. You hit the nail on the head with the Fuel pump. He is on his second one, though his alternator is still original. Other problems he has had are as follows.   BRAKES!!! Broken exhaust "Y" pipe at exhaust mainifold (never seen that before) Bad water pump Bad radiator (they break in one spot that is plastic, and they can't be recored) 5 bad u-joints, and counting (something must be out of balance) Bad pitman arm 4WD-issues Oh geeze, there is so much more, and it has basically been a big yellow lemon.   I do know two others with Yukons (1998 and 1999) and they haven't been as bad, but they have the clunk problem (like they all do) and the wearing leather seats. Plus they don't have as many miles on them.   I had to dig through my repair records to see what repairs I have done on my Expy just to make sure I was accurate. With 88K I have had to do the following,   38K new front brake pads 72K new battery 73K new Alternator (was told my bad battery killed it) 88K new rear brake pads That's it! I love this rig! Again NV, thanks for the info
#1219 of 1700 by nvbanker Sep 21, 2003 (8:13 pm)
You know, on the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban, (if the 1500), they have car brakes on them, which is why they last in the 12,000 mile range. I hear they're fixing that one of these years.   My Navigator got 60,000 on the original brakes, and they weren't done yet at that point either! That's performance and quality to me.
#1220 of 1700 Expedition by s852 Sep 25, 2003 (9:50 am)
I have a 2003 Expedition XLT for a day. I kind of like it other than it isn't as smooth-riding and quiet as I thought it would be. Is the top line model any quieter than an XLT?
#1221 of 1700 Expedishshshshun by davant Sep 25, 2003 (4:07 pm)
I have an '03 Eddie Bauer and also test drove an XLT. Both seemed just as quiet, not sure what could be done to improve either. They both have the same body with foam filled panels for quietness and independent rear suspension that results in a smooth, compliant ride. Keep in mind these are trucks beneath the well designed stiff frames capable of towing 8,900 pounds. It was a compromise I think Ford got right. If you have money to spare maybe the Navigator rides smoother. The XLT to EB differences are trim and toys. The EB has a nicer stereo to take your mind off whatever you hear.
#1222 of 1700 Expedition Too Noisy by s852 Sep 25, 2003 (5:08 pm)
It seems to be the engine that's the problem. It feels powerful at parking lot speeds to the point almost being jumpy, but once you are moving at road speeds and want to accelerate, there isn't enough reserve power, so you have to floor it and get a bunch of engine noise at that point. It is too bad that such a big Ford engine doesn't put out the power like the big Chevy Vortecs and Toyota's smaller V8. A Navigator with 300HP might be better, but the styling is over the top and it's too pricey. Maybe by 2005 the Expedition will have a more powerful engine (like the current Navigator) that can move the Expedition around with less effort which would result in less engine noise as a side benefit.
#1223 of 1700 by alwaysfords Sep 26, 2003 (5:01 am)
The 05 Expy will have the new (F150) 300hp 5.4l 3 valve engine. It was supposed to be late availability in the '04s but apparently capacity can't supply the F150 and Expy at the same time
#1224 of 1700 05 sounds good if that's true by s852 Sep 26, 2003 (7:49 am)
As long as the 300HP engine is not noiser and there is no significant increase in price. It might be quieter in real world use simply because it won't need to be pushed as hard. The Expedition is not as nice as a Sequioa, (except that the third row seat is usuable for adults in the Expedition)but the price is so much cheaper (after you figure in bigger discounts and rebates on top of that). I wonder if the Expedition still works out cheaper in the long run after you factor in the cost of a $0 deductable Ford Premium Care extended warranty as a hedge against expected repair problems after 36K miles and if you consider the added depreciation cost of an Expedition as and expense? For a lease, it would probably be cheaper to go with a Sequioa because of higher residuals, so I assume it might cost you less to go with the Toyota if you purchased and then sold or traded it in 5 years later with 75K miles or so on the odometer.   Has anyone compared the ownership costs over 5 years of and Exp. XLT vs a Sequioa SR5 (or Eddie Bauer vs Sequioa Limited)? The Expedition will cost thousands less to purchase, but will be worth thosands less at resale and you may need to spend at least a couple thousand on repairs or prepay the repairs with an extended warranty. Ford depreciation is so massive that it can wipe out everything you saved up front plus more.
#1225 of 1700 XM/Directv Mobile entertianment center by s852 Sep 26, 2003 (8:23 am)
Vehicles like the Expedition are good for long trips with 4 or more people and their luggage or even carpooling with up to 8. I'm wondering if many people would be interested if Ford offered XM radio and Directv availability in a couple years. Directv is available on planes now: http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/asts/sattv.htm I'm sure the equipment is too expensive for personal vehicles now, but maybe the price will drop in a few years especially if it were sold mass market. It will be really nice to be able to watch HBO, a football game or maybe a PPV movie on a long trip instead of only DVDs. Even commuting in traffic, you would be able to have passengers watch live TV from the flip down screen. Maybe they could even offer high speed internet access via the same satellite connection.
#1226 of 1700 s852 by zman3 Sep 26, 2003 (9:31 am)
I hear where you are coming from. I own an 03 Expy and really debated getting the Sequoia instead. FWIW here are some of my observations:   1) The comparable Expy was roughly $4000 less to purchase. This is based on what it actually would have cost me to buy the vehicle, not MSRP. This was with a rebate of $1000 last October, so now the difference would even be more with the higher incentives.   2) For me at least, with Farmers Insurance, the Sequoia would have been $500 more per year to insure. I plan on keeping the vehicle for roughly 8 years so that would have been $4000 more just for insurance. That puts the overall 8 year tally at $8000 for insurance and purchase price.   3) Eight year depreciation - I have no idea what the vehicles will be worth then. I am certain that the Toyota will be worth more, but $8000? I doubt that.   4) Short term depreciation - if you are not a buy 'em and hold 'em type person I would shy away from the Expedition. The resale right now on my 03 is horrendous. I bought it at invoice minus the rebate. I paid roughly $38K for a $45K vehicle. A trade in right now would be roughly $31K. That is a heck of a drop for one year. Can you imagine if I was dumb enought to pay sticker? Ouch. Based on previous vehicles that I have owned I expect the resale values to start to converge on the two vehicles as time goes on. It is worse in the short term.   So in summary - if this will be a short term vehicle do yourself a favor and don't buy the Ford. If it is more long term I would consider it. I actually liked it just as much as the Sequoia. The fold flat third row is awesome. I decided to take the $8K difference and run. I didn't know how much more the Sequoia would be worth in 8 years so I didn't try to guess. I can always spend $1500-$2000 and get a better extended warranty than the standard Toyota warranty if I have reliability concerns.   Hope this helps at least a little bit.

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