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#1239 of 1700 TCO by zman3 Sep 29, 2003 (4:34 am)
This is going to be long...   Based on what I just read TOC does not seem to take into account incentives. The Total Cash Price appears to be TMV+taxes+fees. It looks like TMV is before incentives. The Sequoia has a TCP of $44685. The Expedition has a TCP of $42,367. Ignoring the sales tax savings on the incentives, the TCP with incentives taken off would be $43935 for the Sequoia in my zip code ($44685-$750 incentive) and $38867 ($42367-$3500 incentive) for the Expedition. Based on these numbers it appears to me that the Ford is comparatively $2750 ($3500-$750) less to own than Edmunds estimates, since it doesn't take into account incentives. $2750/60,000 miles = 4.6 cents per mile too high. Subtract that and the Expedition is about the same cost to own as the Sequoia.   To each his own. I did not analyze the numbers that closely. The fact is we liked the Expedition. But like I also said previously, for me the actual purchase price was even greater than Edmunds estimates based on TMV, due to the fact that the Sequoias in my area only came with options I didn't want, like wood applique dash. So before incentives I was looking at a "Real World" difference of $2700 not the $2100 TMV difference. Add into this my "Real World" insurance difference of $500/year and it was an easy decision. Your mileage may vary.   I think it still boils down to but what you like and what you can afford.
#1240 of 1700 let's muddy up that tco some more by explorerx4 Oct 01, 2003 (3:06 pm)
where i live, we have to pay property tax annually, based on the value of the vehicle. i think it is based on the nada book. it's cheaper to have a 'loaded' up xlt than a 'base' bauer. for example i had a '00 expy xlt(base 33k, msrp 38k). my first bill was about $450. wife has an '01 saab (base 39k, msrp 41k). first tax bill $720, and my town has a low mil rate.
#1241 of 1700 Check Engine Light by sk_glsinc Oct 10, 2003 (1:32 pm)
I own a 98 Expedition with 91K miles. So far, I don't have any major problem with the car. But, recently, the Check Engine Light came on and I had to reset it twice by taking it to the autoshop. The mechanic mentioned that it may require a "big $$$" to fix the problem. According to him, it is due to oxygen level of the gas. did anyone experiece similar problems?   Your thoughts are appreciated...
#1242 of 1700 Re: sk_glsinc by jrc346 Oct 11, 2003 (6:44 pm)
Hmm, at 91,000 miles I wouldn't doubt that your oxygen sensors are becoming lazy. These measure the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gases. Do you have the exact code that was given? Most oxygen sensors when they become lazy start to indicate a Rich condition all of the time causing your check engine light to illuminate. These can be expensive depending on your budjet. They range from about $60-90 a piece and in your Expy, there may be as many as 4, but they may not all be bad. Get back to us and let us know of the code that was set if you have it. I don't have the code book with me right now, but if you put the code in google or some other search engine, you will probably get a hit as to what that code means. Goodluck with it!
#1243 of 1700 Ford Security Systems by bulldog86 Dec 30, 2003 (7:25 am)
Has anyone had any experience with the Ford Security System installed by the dealer? I am getting a "System 4" added to my '04 Expedition Eddie Bauer next week and am curious if anyone has any experience with these things. My last Ford security system (installed by the dealer on a 1990 F-250) failed two months after the warranty expired and the truck had to be towed to the dealer, where the system was unceremoniously yanked from under the dash and placed in the trash. I hesitated to buy another system from Ford, but I park my truck in a park and ride lot here in northern Virginia and thought that the ignition disable feature of the system 4 was attractive. Am also considering lo-jack as a backup. Thanks
#1244 of 1700 Ford Security vs. Aftermarket by davant Dec 30, 2003 (9:35 pm)
Bulldog,   No experience with the Ford system but I had several different aftermarket ones in vehicles prior to our '03 EB. I'm fond of Clifford and a local shop put in ignition disable in a Honda. Added bonuses included remote starting, programmable window up, vent, and down features and cost me about $850 installed (helped protect $4K in stereo gear). Not sure how good the Ford one is but don't expect anything beyond enhanced security. The more obscure and unique the install schema, the less likely a thief can defeat them, pro crooks can beat them all.   Point is, there are so many on the market worthy of investigation and avoiding mainstream systems may payoff. Risk is that going with something other than Ford could result in warranty issues or at least problems with the dealer as nothing is simple any more. Are you considering Ford's system strictly because of a warranty? Others do that too...
#1245 of 1700 by bulldog86 Dec 31, 2003 (7:43 am)
Davant, Thanks for the reply. My primary concern was helping prevent "snatch and grab" of the factory DVD and audiophile stereo. Rip-offs like this seem to be the biggest problem in the commmuter lots I use....but since all car alarms seem to be universally ignored in public spaces, the enhanced security may be somewhat illusory. Am less concerned about the truck being stolen, and I really want ease of use--i.e., don't want the thing going off in the garage if I open the door to retrieve a coffee cup, for example. USAA reduces my insurance premium thanks to the System 4 so it will pay for itself ($299) over time. Just don't want the truck towed to the dealer when the alarm fails and cuts the ignition....so am hoping for greater reliability than the 1991 version I owned.
#1246 of 1700 Insurance discounts for alarm by s852 Dec 31, 2003 (8:07 am)
You say that the insurance discount will pay for the alarm. The discounts I've seen have been minimal and only apply to certain types of alarms (usually only to ones that arm automatically without having to remember to press the key fob). How long will it it take for you to recoup the $299 cost based on the insurance discount?
#1247 of 1700 Expy vs. Sequoia: REAL WORLD by watchdog3 Jan 03, 2004 (7:16 am)
I live in Minnesota: Used Loaded 2003 Program (employee) Expy's are being sold here for $28,500. They all have about 15K miles. The BEST I can find an 03 Sequoia Limited is about $38,500. I love the Toyota but $10K Delta may be just TOO geat a difference.   However, 01 Sequoias are ALL going for MORE than $30K, unless they have TONS of miles. I have not researched the Fords. But I gotta believe in 2 more years an 03 EXPY with under 40K will still be worth more than $20K.   Sounds like about the same operating costs but less upfront.

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