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#1244 of 1700 Ford Security vs. Aftermarket by davant Dec 30, 2003 (9:35 pm)
Bulldog,   No experience with the Ford system but I had several different aftermarket ones in vehicles prior to our '03 EB. I'm fond of Clifford and a local shop put in ignition disable in a Honda. Added bonuses included remote starting, programmable window up, vent, and down features and cost me about $850 installed (helped protect $4K in stereo gear). Not sure how good the Ford one is but don't expect anything beyond enhanced security. The more obscure and unique the install schema, the less likely a thief can defeat them, pro crooks can beat them all.   Point is, there are so many on the market worthy of investigation and avoiding mainstream systems may payoff. Risk is that going with something other than Ford could result in warranty issues or at least problems with the dealer as nothing is simple any more. Are you considering Ford's system strictly because of a warranty? Others do that too...
#1245 of 1700 by bulldog86 Dec 31, 2003 (7:43 am)
Davant, Thanks for the reply. My primary concern was helping prevent "snatch and grab" of the factory DVD and audiophile stereo. Rip-offs like this seem to be the biggest problem in the commmuter lots I use....but since all car alarms seem to be universally ignored in public spaces, the enhanced security may be somewhat illusory. Am less concerned about the truck being stolen, and I really want ease of use--i.e., don't want the thing going off in the garage if I open the door to retrieve a coffee cup, for example. USAA reduces my insurance premium thanks to the System 4 so it will pay for itself ($299) over time. Just don't want the truck towed to the dealer when the alarm fails and cuts the ignition....so am hoping for greater reliability than the 1991 version I owned.
#1246 of 1700 Insurance discounts for alarm by s852 Dec 31, 2003 (8:07 am)
You say that the insurance discount will pay for the alarm. The discounts I've seen have been minimal and only apply to certain types of alarms (usually only to ones that arm automatically without having to remember to press the key fob). How long will it it take for you to recoup the $299 cost based on the insurance discount?
#1247 of 1700 Expy vs. Sequoia: REAL WORLD by watchdog3 Jan 03, 2004 (7:16 am)
I live in Minnesota: Used Loaded 2003 Program (employee) Expy's are being sold here for $28,500. They all have about 15K miles. The BEST I can find an 03 Sequoia Limited is about $38,500. I love the Toyota but $10K Delta may be just TOO geat a difference.   However, 01 Sequoias are ALL going for MORE than $30K, unless they have TONS of miles. I have not researched the Fords. But I gotta believe in 2 more years an 03 EXPY with under 40K will still be worth more than $20K.   Sounds like about the same operating costs but less upfront.
#1248 of 1700 Apples to Oranges by blockislandguy Jan 03, 2004 (6:28 pm)
Watchdog3, while I agree with your conclusion, I think you compared apples to oranges to get there. I think you compared XLTs to Sequoia Limiteds. Used Eddie Bauers (the comparable to a Limited) are still well over 31K. So the price difference is a lot less. HOWEVER, you can pick up an EB with a lot more features (climate controlled seats, etc.) than you get in a Limited and your running costs will be lower. For example, any 03 Sequoia Limited at 38K or so will have high mileage and worn sneakers. The EB you can find with relatively new sneakers and only 15,000 miles. Good sneakers will cost $600.
#1249 of 1700 Alarm discount by bulldog86 Jan 05, 2004 (8:02 am)
S852- My insurance company applies a 10% savings with the security system installed, or about $60 a year--so 5 years to the break even point. I keep my vehicles 7-8 years, so if the alarm requires no repairs over the period I own the truck, it seems advantageous.
#1250 of 1700 alarm insurance discount by s852 Jan 05, 2004 (8:09 pm)
Generally, insurance companies only give any applicable discount on the comprehensive portion of the premium, not the entire premium.
#1251 of 1700 by bulldog86 Jan 06, 2004 (5:28 am)
You are probably correct, I need to review the policy...but the point is moot, as the truck is at the dealer now for alarm installation and some warranty body work (small imperfections in the rain gutters on the driver's side roof, and no paint on the tail gate hinges) So--will see how long this alarm lasts and how it performs.
#1252 of 1700 Ford Customer Service?! What is going ON?!! by tourguide Jan 30, 2004 (4:31 pm)
I would like to be able to get into a new Expy when the lease runs out on our van. The more I am reading about Ford customer service though, the more I am questioning that choice. There are numerous reports of LIMITS to the number of times you can take a vehicle to the dealer for a selected problem (such as alignment) even (and especially) during the bumper to bumper warranty period. When I lay out a large sum of money for a vehicle I expect ANY problem to be covered under the warranty period REGARDLESS of the number of return trips to the dealer it requires. Placing a cap on the number of times a given repair will be covered under the warranty period is HORRIFIC customer service. I am stunned and shocked to read reports of this on these boards from folks who are new vehicle owners. Ford's "recovery" will not be sustained with these practices and I'll be voting with my cash based on the company I believe will treat me best.   I buy my vehicles for the long term and I don't want to be hassled IF I have a problem.   So what about it new Ford owners, have you been treated right?
#1253 of 1700 tourguide by alwaysfords Jan 30, 2004 (7:15 pm)
I don't know if you could find any dealer that will give you unlimited alignments during the warranty period. Alignments are typically a wear type item subject to how the driver dirves and the vehicle is treated. Coming off the truck out of alignment and expecting unlimited alignments are two different things. I have had 5 Fords from new and never been disappointed with the service I've gotten, but that is all relevant to t dealer that is doing the service, not the manufacturer. You can get bad service from any dealer regardless of who the manufacturer is.

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