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#1247 of 1700 Expy vs. Sequoia: REAL WORLD by watchdog3 Jan 03, 2004 (7:16 am)
I live in Minnesota: Used Loaded 2003 Program (employee) Expy's are being sold here for $28,500. They all have about 15K miles. The BEST I can find an 03 Sequoia Limited is about $38,500. I love the Toyota but $10K Delta may be just TOO geat a difference.   However, 01 Sequoias are ALL going for MORE than $30K, unless they have TONS of miles. I have not researched the Fords. But I gotta believe in 2 more years an 03 EXPY with under 40K will still be worth more than $20K.   Sounds like about the same operating costs but less upfront.
#1248 of 1700 Apples to Oranges by blockislandguy Jan 03, 2004 (6:28 pm)
Watchdog3, while I agree with your conclusion, I think you compared apples to oranges to get there. I think you compared XLTs to Sequoia Limiteds. Used Eddie Bauers (the comparable to a Limited) are still well over 31K. So the price difference is a lot less. HOWEVER, you can pick up an EB with a lot more features (climate controlled seats, etc.) than you get in a Limited and your running costs will be lower. For example, any 03 Sequoia Limited at 38K or so will have high mileage and worn sneakers. The EB you can find with relatively new sneakers and only 15,000 miles. Good sneakers will cost $600.
#1249 of 1700 Alarm discount by bulldog86 Jan 05, 2004 (8:02 am)
S852- My insurance company applies a 10% savings with the security system installed, or about $60 a year--so 5 years to the break even point. I keep my vehicles 7-8 years, so if the alarm requires no repairs over the period I own the truck, it seems advantageous.
#1250 of 1700 alarm insurance discount by s852 Jan 05, 2004 (8:09 pm)
Generally, insurance companies only give any applicable discount on the comprehensive portion of the premium, not the entire premium.
#1251 of 1700 by bulldog86 Jan 06, 2004 (5:28 am)
You are probably correct, I need to review the policy...but the point is moot, as the truck is at the dealer now for alarm installation and some warranty body work (small imperfections in the rain gutters on the driver's side roof, and no paint on the tail gate hinges) So--will see how long this alarm lasts and how it performs.
#1252 of 1700 Ford Customer Service?! What is going ON?!! by tourguide Jan 30, 2004 (4:31 pm)
I would like to be able to get into a new Expy when the lease runs out on our van. The more I am reading about Ford customer service though, the more I am questioning that choice. There are numerous reports of LIMITS to the number of times you can take a vehicle to the dealer for a selected problem (such as alignment) even (and especially) during the bumper to bumper warranty period. When I lay out a large sum of money for a vehicle I expect ANY problem to be covered under the warranty period REGARDLESS of the number of return trips to the dealer it requires. Placing a cap on the number of times a given repair will be covered under the warranty period is HORRIFIC customer service. I am stunned and shocked to read reports of this on these boards from folks who are new vehicle owners. Ford's "recovery" will not be sustained with these practices and I'll be voting with my cash based on the company I believe will treat me best.   I buy my vehicles for the long term and I don't want to be hassled IF I have a problem.   So what about it new Ford owners, have you been treated right?
#1253 of 1700 tourguide by alwaysfords Jan 30, 2004 (7:15 pm)
I don't know if you could find any dealer that will give you unlimited alignments during the warranty period. Alignments are typically a wear type item subject to how the driver dirves and the vehicle is treated. Coming off the truck out of alignment and expecting unlimited alignments are two different things. I have had 5 Fords from new and never been disappointed with the service I've gotten, but that is all relevant to t dealer that is doing the service, not the manufacturer. You can get bad service from any dealer regardless of who the manufacturer is.
#1254 of 1700 One Customer's Explorer Focus of Expedition Service: Mediocre Verdict by davant Jan 30, 2004 (8:31 pm)
It's the best attention getting header I could drum up regarding Ford service. I haven't needed but one alignment in the first year of Expie ownership. Our dealer treated me right by taking me to the mall and picking me up. They said it was fixed and it told me to bring it back if it wasn't. No one mentioned that being me picky and making the vehicle perform as designed wasn't covered under warranty no matter how many attempts that took, in fact quite the opposite. I'm not sure if another auto maker put out the hogwash you're referring to, but Ford is no better or worse than any of the mainstream car companies, probably smack in the middle. My ownership experiences with Cadillac, Chevrolet, Dodge, Honda, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Pontiac, Porsche, Toyota, and Volvo dealers aren't any better or worse. Dealer service as a whole is like other consumer goods, there's good and bad; no corporate direction to treat customers poorly or cut corners on perceived repeat problems.   Keep in mind that few happy, satisfied customers take the time to laud on internet forums. Therefore, the ranters represent a very small percentage of vehicle owners as a whole. If you go to a BMW or Mercedes site you'll find the same is true. I'm just as concerned as you and my warranty period hasn't been trouble free. To this point it has all been free trouble though...
#1255 of 1700 Emotional Involvement with big SUVs by brand by blockislandguy Feb 02, 2004 (6:00 pm)
I've got a question that's bugging me. Everone "knows" that the Expy/Nav product is better than the GMs and the Toyota Sequoia. Better means more engine technology, fold flat third seat, rack and pinion steering, independent rear suspension, and a nicer interior. Clearly the Expy/Navs SUVs are a generation ahead of the General's.   Not only are they a generation ahead, they cost less to buy (Expys are 2-3K less than a Tahoe/Yukon; Navs at 10K off list before you walk into the front door==Denali list).   Moreover, the Exp/Nav product hasn't been bedeviled by CSK issues, the reputation of poor GM service, etc. etc.   YET, when you just look at the number of posts, the Yukon/Denali/Sequoia crowd post far more frequenty, seem to do more with their vehicles, and identify more with them. Why??   Take a look at the number of posts per brand:   Expy 1254 Nav 919 Tahoe/Yukon 4379 Denali 2360 Sequo. 7695
#1256 of 1700 blockislandguy by clpurnell Feb 03, 2004 (7:56 am)
It is all about demographics. On average the avg import buyer is more internet savy than the avg domestic buyer. So therefore they are more likely to use the internet for research and to discuss they're vehicles.   The Chevy vs Ford thing is tougher to call. My best guess would be that chevy owners are more enthusiastic and relate more to there vehicle purchase than would the ford buyer. Also I see the Tahoe/Yukons driven more by men while the Expy's are driven more by women which may or may not make a difference.   I too think the expy/nav is a great SUV but was scared away by Ford resale and reliability. They need to get the 300 hp v8 in the expy quickly as the Hemi Durango and Armada are going to steal a lot of it sales.

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