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#1317 of 1700 by alwaysfords2 Jul 06, 2004 (7:54 am)
You are correct, you didn'y say "public", you said "general public".   Post 1314 - "X-Plan is a good deal and is the only one available to the general public..."   Ford must have recently changed their position on this, the last two times I've used the X discount they were pretty dilligent about verifying where the pin came from. The last time I used it was in September. The more the merrier if they are getting looser with the policy, but I would imagine it could have also been at your dealer level rather than corporate policy.
#1318 of 1700 X-Plan by tourguide Jul 06, 2004 (3:35 pm)
I think the shift in position on this discount program is probably due to Ford wanting to do everything it can to maximize market share. It makes sense when you think about it. Why would Ford want to put barriers up for people to own their vehicles? I could understand still being picky about A or D plans.
#1320 of 1700 1997 Expy?? by sbspence Jul 07, 2004 (7:06 pm)
We have a chance to pick up a 1997 Eddie Bauer with only 30 k on the clock from the original owner. Were these good units? What areas should we look into for possible problems. .. ? THANKS! Spence><> Replies to this message: davant (Jul 08, 2004 7:24 pm) nvbanker (Jul 10, 2004 5:12 pm)
#1321 of 1700 Re: 1997 Expy?? [sbspence #1320] by davant Jul 08, 2004 (7:24 pm)
Replying to: sbspence (Jul 07, 2004 7:06 pm) Sbspence,   I'd look elsewhere because it sounds like someone tinkered with the odometer and moved it to the clock. A 1997 model actually should have about 3.7 million ticks (minutes) on the clock regardless of how far it's been driven, LOL. Seriously though, reliability has been average, 3 on a 5 scale. It's plenty big, more trucklike than todays models, a bit weak on power maybe except with the 5.4L. I had a 97 truck and it went through several ball joints, not sure if that was a trend or just mine. If you like the price and it's been maintained well, go for it. This site has some excellent reviews and comparisons not to mention good price guides, no I don't work for them. One of the factors that would weigh heavily here is MPG. Think about life with mileage in the low teens or worse (you didn't say if it was 2 or 4WD) and that gas isn't getting any cheaper. These factors could be used as bargaining chits. For instance, you're doing the owner a favor by paying all their 7 y/o gas-hog is worth considering the uncertainty of world fuel markets. At that age you can expect alot more things to start going wrong. Best guess here is pay no more than 40 percent of original purchase price despite the very low mileage.   Fuel prices are the only thing that separates us from complete joy with our '03 Expie 2WD 5.4L Eddie-B, best of luck.
#1322 of 1700 x-plan by jeff88 Jul 09, 2004 (7:02 am)
My company participates in this plan as we also use ford for company cars (as well as gm). All I needed at the time of the transaction was the x-plan #; there was no verifiation process so it seems that this number would be easily transferrable. The x-plan # populated a pricing sheet that was below invoice but did not deter the dealer(s) from attempting to add their usual list of add-on fees; well, you can't blame them for trying...   Am concerned about the posts on the advance trac issues and since I have that option on our '04, what were the early signs of trouble? did you have to be in 4x4 mode, or did this occur in 2wd as well?   BTW, with 6k on the truck, we still love it. It is really a nice family ride!
#1323 of 1700 X-Plan Pricing, 2004 Expedition by fx4 Jul 09, 2004 (12:39 pm)
Not much point in discussing Ford X-Plan pricing with so much 2004 Expedition inventory (many built in early fall of 2003)on hand. Dealers are throwing in nearly all of their hold back money just to move the units off their lots in anticipation of the 2005 Expy with 5.4 3V. Pricing is way under any X-Plan right now with just a minor amount of the proverbial haggling. Dealers still come out on 1% Blue Oval money and may salvage 0.5% holdback money. If you trade they have your trade-in to sell that has been "booked" at dead wholesale. Still making a profit.   Aren't A & Z Plan purchases an early in the model year happening? I never have had the chance so I don't know-inside deals are a turn off (much like dealer employee demos)since someone has to pay for Ford and the dealers to turn their meager profits. Ha!
#1324 of 1700 Ding! Ding! Learning opportunity for me..... by gteach26 Jul 09, 2004 (4:40 pm)
What do you mean by "dead wholesale" on a trade. I'm assuming it's the lowest possible trade-in figure they can reasonably ask for but how do they arrive at that "dead wholesale" cost?   Thanks
#1325 of 1700 Re: 1997 Expy?? [sbspence] by nvbanker Jul 10, 2004 (5:12 pm)
Replying to: sbspence (Jul 07, 2004 7:06 pm) Spence; if you're sure of the original owner and mileage, it may be a good deal. You didn't give us much in details, 4WD/2WD, engine size, etc; but here are some pointers. The 4.6L is pretty anemic IMO for that size truck, especially if 4WD. If it has the 5.4L, that would be ok, but even that engine only gives you 230hp in that year. In 99, it was boosted to 260, which was plenty of power. 97 was the first year out, but even so, they were pretty good units with few chronic problems.
#1326 of 1700 Post 1324 by fx4 Jul 13, 2004 (2:14 pm)
Just an expression of mine. Just say wholesale.   Here in the Eastern Tennessee, the price of gasoline has created a bit of buyers market for new 2004 Expedition. The dealers still will not admit that they are selling below "invoice" which is right around 89% of MSRP for the Expedition model. The actual dealer cost is 4% less than invoice, that being 3% holdback and 1% Blue Oval money. The dealers just will not admit that they are throwing in all or even part of the holdback. But, they are really are selling at 86 to 87% of MSRP before rebates just to move the remaining inventory.   My new 2004 Expedition NBX is smooth and drives better than my 2003 FX4 and the new 4R75W tranny is a nice upgrade from previous 4R70W. But, I am just sick and tired of the OEM tires (Continental ContiTrac TR). The right front it a good 1/16" out of round and they pull to the right or the left as you rotate the front tires. This Detroit cheapo tire thing for high priced vehicles is totally out of hand. Lead weight makers should be happy given how much is used by the Michigan Truck factory trying to get the above ContiTrac TRs out the door. My brothers' new 2002 or maybe 2003 Suburbans have those cheap Firestone Wilderness (or something). They too just shake their heads in disgust.   Ford doesn't bother to provide a spare for new a Expedition that matches the tires on the ground. In my case TRs on the ground and Conttrac SUV on the spare rack. Must save Ford $6-8.   ..oh well I'll just drive the wheels off what is now my 11th new Ford Suv ...enjoy the trusty 5.4L..there's always a brighter side..

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