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#598 of 1758 2001 Neon questions by octones Apr 17, 2001 (12:55 pm)
I'm just wondering detailed stuff about the 2001 Neons.. such as auto vs. manual, R/T vs. other models, etc. Things like that. I am looking at the Neon for a new car and in the price range it is in. Would you consider it the best car for it's price range (13000 - 18000)? Thanks!
#599 of 1758 octones by hersbird Apr 18, 2001 (12:17 am)
If you don't want a manual, I wouldn't get the neon. Otherwise the max a R/T with every possible option shoulc not cost more then $17,500. That's with leather, sunroof, in dash CD, side airbags, etc. I've seen 'loss leader' ads for stripped neon at about $10,000. If you are going for stripped or loaded it's hard to find anything else close to this price. Go drive all the different brands & models, that's the best part about car shopping is the chance to drive tons of different cars. Don't let the salesman slam you into something until you've been all over town and actually driving, not just looking. I loved our neon but it wasn't cutting it for my wife to use at her nanny job. I do think the Neon's prices have been creeping up too much lately. My 98 was pretty much loaded for $11,000 new. A similar one now (a loaded ES) would be $14,800. In 98 nothing even came close to matching the neon's bang for the buck, now there are quite a few choices around $15,000.
#600 of 1758 1995 neon by beanboy Apr 18, 2001 (5:13 am)
Have a June 1995 build Neon, no problems at all except for an O2 sensor code at the moment. Did get an inner tie rod replaced under warrantly. Bought it used and autocrossed it for a couple of season. Going to throw some goodies on in a month or so, and enjoy the 'new' car for a couple of more years before moving on. Can't beat the performance-to-fun ratio for a used Neon R/T or ACR if you want decent economy and room to boot.   -B
#601 of 1758 Just joined the sucker club by jcasetnl Apr 18, 2001 (4:52 pm)
Ah... I never knew it but driving my neon each day was like pulling the lever on a slot machine. In the end, the house always wins and you always lose.   Head gasket is gone and it looks like I'm looking at a new head as well. My warranty covers the gasket but not the head, so despite getting the best warranty the dealer had on offer, I'm still out over $1300 when you factor in the rental car.   At first I wondered why no recall was ever issued, but it's an expensive fix, so I understand only people that get in their faces get some of the job paid for.   Tommy: "But don't they care?"   No, Tommy. No they don't.   Anyone who's sat in a marketing class for more than five minutes knows that on average, when a customer has a good experience they will tell one or two people about that experience. But when they have a bad experience they will tell eight. This is why intel decided that even though the pentium flaw would affect practically none of its customers that it would swap customers chips at no charge. "Sure, we'll swap it if you want us to, because if we don't we look bad whether there's a problem or not."   Let's think about this: Intel swaps a chip that will likely not affect a particular customer. Chrysler allows the neon to be sold with a head gasket that they know will fail and then they have the audacity to pretend the problem doesn't exist.   Try this: Call their customer service line and describe the symptoms. Tell them your mechanic can't figure it out and ask them if they've heard of anything similar before or have any ideas. See what they say.   Call them back again and say "I've got the headgasket problem."   Note the very different responses you get.   Tommy: "Is it different? I'll bet it's different!"   You're right, Tommy. It *is* different.   And to me that really bites. In addition to the head gasket I've got numerous electrical problems. Are these common as well? I've given up on ever listening to the radio again in my car. I took it in, broke in a month, took it in, broke in month, and on and on. One day I finally called up the dealer and cancelled yet another appointment: "Sorry, I can't miss another day of work because of a car stereo. Maybe in Dodgeland that's like a sick day or a floating holidy, but not here on planet earth."   Tommy: "Is zat why you always sing to yourself in the car?"   Yes Tommy, it is.   My spedometer looks more like a tachometer. One minute I'm going 112mph and next I'm going -6. When the gas gauge goes I have to rely on the trip odometer and dumb luck. One time I went in for a fillup and it only took two gallons.   It's like Grady Seasons said in "Color of Money":   "It's like a nitemare, isn't it?"   Yes, yes it is.   Well, despite the best efforts of my parents and Jesus Christ himself, I'm big on payback. Screw me over and then walk away? Better think again.   So in addition to covering practically every writable surface on the net with my tale of woe, I've decided to form the Neon Sucker's Club (NSC), an exclusive club of neon owners who have been sold the nouveau lemon, a car designed to explode right outside of its warranty period: the neon.   Current membership benefits are few, unfortunately. But as this thing grows I'll put up a website and make t-shirts. Email me now at jcasetnlmy-deja.com and tell me your tale. Tell me how much time from work it took from you. Tell me how much it cost you. Tell me about that cancelled trip to Disneyland.   Tommy: "To Disneyland? Are we gonna go there?"   Sorry Tommy, busted head gasket.   All stories will be told on the site, and in return for your story you will get your official NSC number. In a year the new NSC members will see your low number and know that you are one of the ancient and wise, one of the first to be suckered! They will look to you for guidance and ask you thinks like, "What is the sound one man being suckered?"   More than anything else, you will know that you are not alone and you will have the satisfaction of warning potential Chysler customers of the kind of company they are about to invest many thousands of dollars in.   Tommy: "Yeah cause tha-"   Shut up, Tommy.   So email me at the above and let's do our little part to stick it to the crooks at Chrysler who built a shoddy product and then left us with the bill.    - jon
#602 of 1758 698 by lucine Apr 19, 2001 (7:58 pm)
What year is that neon bomb?
#603 of 1758 jcasetnl by hersbird Apr 19, 2001 (8:51 pm)
Hey put me down for an awesome ride with my neon. I loved it and still love the current generation neon. Of course $1300 buys a whole new neon long block but don't let that ruin your story. Of course by your own admission because I liked the car, I'm with the non-vocal majority. So count my experience times eight, it's marketing 101 you know.
#604 of 1758 My neon bomb is... by jcasetnl Apr 19, 2001 (10:28 pm)
... a 96. But the problem affects 95-98 and some 99 neons.   I'm glad you've had a good experience. How many miles have you got on your neon? And what year is it? I think the good 99s and on are decent cars, save for the electrical problems and the crappy door seals, oh, and a shimmying problem I've read about with newer models.   Of all the people I know that personally own or owned neons, three of five had the head gasket problem (not including myself). So, if you're around 50,000 miles, be aware that you're at risk.   Good luck to you.    - j
#605 of 1758 Considering a 1996 Neon w/ 42k miles by shdibuya1996 Apr 20, 2001 (1:39 pm)
Hi, there, Neon owners!   I'm considering buying a 1996 Neon Sedan w/ 42K miles for 6,000 bucks. I was hoping anyone out there would give me their opinion about this purchase. I would buy it from family, it has been well taken care of. Probably no warranty. But I'm a bit concerned about the head gasket problem I'm hearing about. I don't really care about aesthetics (wind & road noise, static shock, poor stereo) but I'd like a car that will be a good commute car (20-30 minute commute ea. way). My boyfriend and I have driven his 1992 Ford Ranger for 5 years now, and other than that my only vehicle is a 1965 Volkswagen panel van (and a head gasket on that is easy . So, obviously, no frills is okay with me! Any suggestions/stories about 1996 Neons would be appreciated!   Thanks, Ingrid
#606 of 1758 prejudice by dhughes3 Apr 20, 2001 (3:42 pm)
Ripping through the Neon site I saw a number of comments about testers' prejudice against the Neon. Welcome to reality! While some of the criticisms leveled against the car may be deserved, I have absolutely no doubt that DC cars in general don't get a fair shake in the automotive press. Consumer Reports leads the parade, although they actually hate ANYTHING with a US name.
#607 of 1758 PRICING by dhughes3 Apr 20, 2001 (4:17 pm)
Amidst all this talk about dealing for a price--When I bought my Intrepid (what am I doing on a Neon site?) a local 5 star dealer was advertising a special group of them at an unbelievable price. I had to check it out. I wound up buying one from him after comparing prices all over town. Believe it or not, that dealer was selling them for $200 UNDER INVOICE, and I'm not talking about the false invoice some dealers try to fool you with. Point? Sometimes a deal that seems to good to be true really is true. P.S. A lot of you guys are either illiterate or just too lazy to use proper grammar and spelling. What kind of impression are you giving the elitist foreign car fanatics?

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