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by kirstie_h HOST
Feb 02, 2005 (11:01 am)
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A national newspaper hopes to talk with a consumer who traded in a Mercedes for a Chrysler 300C. Please respond to jfallonedmunds.com no later than Tuesday, February 8, 2005 with your daytime contact info and a few words about your decision.
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Re: New Tires? [illini4] by qbrozen
Feb 02, 2005 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: illini4 (Feb 02, 2005 4:56 am)

maybe i'm not sure what cupping is. i thought that was the term for when the shoulders of the tires are wearing faster than the center, which is due to underinflation.
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Re: New Tires? [qbrozen] by tolenash
Feb 02, 2005 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Feb 02, 2005 11:38 am)

http://www.partsamerica.com/MaintenanceTireProblem.asp
 
"Cupping can be caused by an unbalanced tire condition, faulty wheel bearings, loose parts, fatigued springs or weak shock absorbers. Check the condition of the shock by forcefully bouncing the front end of the car several times and releasing it on the down stroke. Failure of the vehicle to settle after two strokes suggests worn shocks or struts."
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Re: New Tires? [tolenash] by espo1
Feb 02, 2005 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: tolenash (Feb 02, 2005 12:41 pm)

I leased a BMW 530 with sports suspension. It had performance tires. BMW tuned the suspension so that the front had a camber setting that pulled the tires away from the car. So that when you cornered hard the tire on the outside as it lifted kept more tread on the ground. With wide soft tires this helped to give more traction and the car held nicely. But I noticed that the front cupped quickly. the tires lasted about 18000 and I got another set. Even when I rotated them every 3000 miles they still cupped as fast as the first set. BMW also recommend more pressure in the rears that caused them to wear in the center. So maybe DC is trying to give you better performance and is tuning the suspension a little.
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Re: New Tires? [tolenash] by qbrozen
Feb 02, 2005 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: tolenash (Feb 02, 2005 12:41 pm)

thanks for the link, but that still doesn't tell me what cupping IS. That link also talks about wear on the shoulders and how that is related to underinflation, as I stated. So, apparently, cupping is a different type of wear, but what type? what does it look like?
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Re: New Tires? [qbrozen] by espo1
Feb 02, 2005 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Feb 02, 2005 1:42 pm)

As you run your hand along the outside or inside edge of the tire you will feel ridges along the tread edges sort of a concave effect thats like a cup. The tires will also start to whine as the ridges get deeper.
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Re: New Tires? [espo1] by viper01
Feb 03, 2005 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: espo1 (Feb 02, 2005 1:48 pm)

I would describe cupping as uneven wear on the outside edges of the tire. Unlike underinflation which would cause a uniform "balding" along the edges, cupping would result in many bald spots spaced several inches apart along the edge. Bald spots would be the extreme manifestation. Earlier indications would be uneven wear of the tire pattern (cleats?) at the edge of the tire. It is an unusual condition. Main causes (probably not all) are out of balance tires or faulty shocks followed by worn suspension components.
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Re: New Tires? [qbrozen] by tolenash
Feb 03, 2005 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Feb 02, 2005 1:42 pm)

http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=22765
 
try this one...scroll down and find the pic and description.
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Re: New Tires? by qbrozen
Feb 03, 2005 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: tolenash (Feb 03, 2005 7:24 am)

thanks for the info, folks.
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Re: New Tires? [espo1] by markcincinnati
Feb 03, 2005 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: espo1 (Feb 02, 2005 1:37 pm)

If you were able to keep these tires (on the BMW) for 18,000 miles you did just fine. 15,000 to 20,000 is about the best anyone can do with these Max Performance Summer tires.
 
They are designed for performance at the expense of wear. BMW, Audi, Porshce and some Mercedes use Max performance (which is the final step above Ultra High performance) "summer tires" -- my wife's second TT tires were basically "gone" at 13,000 miles and the car was maintained "by the book" at the dealer.
 
The Acura NSX and some of the Porsche's needed new rubber sometimes as soon as 6,000 miles. I had a set of Pirelli tires ONE TIME, that sacrificed themselves for my "driving pleasure" by about 8,000 miles. I have since switched to UHP tires and can now exceed 20,000 miles without concern about the tire's efficacy.
 
Now, I find it difficult to believe that the 300C would have such Max performance tires (the SRT-8 MAYBE) -- this cupping is caused as noted above. I would hope that the 300C's OEM tires would go over 25,000 miles with relative ease.

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