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Re: American Sedan? [smithed] by bigelm
Mar 08, 2005 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: smithed (Mar 08, 2005 7:24 am)

That applies to everything else in the auto market... Hondas and Toyotas made in the US. I can go on and on but the point is that Japanese aren't really Japanese and American aren't really American and European aren't really European...
 
You get my point!
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Beach15, thanks for the peek at 2006! by timcar
Mar 08, 2005 (3:18 pm)
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Have you heard of any additional interior choices? Sound systems?
 
TIA
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Re: Maybe it's because........ [coby03] by velostic
Mar 08, 2005 (11:47 pm)
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Replying to: coby03 (Mar 07, 2005 7:49 pm)

Coby
 
Thank you for your thoughts. I am glad to hear that you have had good luck, and would dearly like to say I am an exception and things will probably work out. But the recent events have motivated me to go out of my way to ask around - quite a bit.
 
Everyone, bar none, that I have asked who has owned a Chrysler will never go back. Every mechanic I've asked has rolled their eyes and every owner has a tale of woe. Suffice to say, I have found that I am clearly not alone in being price gouged and/or treated like a second class citizen.
 
Today, I was told I might be able to pick up my car tomorrow with dodgy front brakes unless I paid $250 - which would bring the total of items that supposedly need repairs that are not covered by warranty to over $600 for a car with less than 20K miles. A supervisor was supposed to call me today to deal with my complaints - I was told he was "too busy" to speak with me.
 
I understand that whenever Chrysler are threatened with news cameras (of which I have heard a couple stories), they back off of this kind of behavior. Maybe they are trying it on because I'm female - but I was raised in a car family and know this is BS.
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Re: Maybe it's because........ [velostic] by coby03
Mar 09, 2005 (3:55 am)
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Replying to: velostic (Mar 08, 2005 11:47 pm)

velostic,
 
Have you tried to call Chrysler corporate office in Michigan? One of the few problems I had early on was with brakes and the so-called 5 star dealer refused to cover the warranty repair because "they've done too many brake jobs". I heard this from the service manager as well as the owner of that particular dealership. I called Chrysler and they agreed to reimburse me for repairs made elsewhere (and I told them I would not go into that dealership again based on their attitude). The dealers are still struggling, which is kind of sad because I do think the new 300C is a great car, like I still believe the 300M was.
 
Look at the passion and involvement that 300M owners have had over the past several years as witnessed on this site alone. Go into the 300M sedan forum and read what people have said. I think they were one of the most active forums on Edmunds with over 25,000 posted messages. Most are pretty happy with Chrysler, but have all had to deal with problems of some sort. These things do break, I just wish the service organizations at the dealers would hold up their end of the bargain a little better. Have faith!
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Re: Maybe it's because........ [velostic] by dkrhardy
Mar 09, 2005 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: velostic (Mar 07, 2005 5:26 pm)

Please check your facts and their source. The '05 300 is not even related to the prior 300's. LH vs LX contains a world of change. Except for the V6 engines and the auto trans on the V6, which by-the-way now sit all in a line front to back, I don't think any thing else is shared. FWD vs RWD makes for profound changes.
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Re: 300C input [snowy] by billod
Mar 09, 2005 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: snowy (Feb 25, 2005 5:34 am)

Hello Snowy,
Where is the dealer in Mass that offered the 300C at invoice + $500. I'm in Conn and am interested in a 300C Hemi AWD. There is only one Costco dealer in Conn, in Danbury, and he is not dealing. Please advise.
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Re: American Sedan? [bigelm] by smithed
Mar 09, 2005 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: bigelm (Mar 08, 2005 11:13 am)

I know what you mean. After all BMWs are assembled here in South Carolina. World marketplace, isn't it?
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Whatever happened to the Chrysler that rocked? by rmorse83
Mar 10, 2005 (9:23 pm)
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I don't know if I'm the only one that feels this way, but I'm really disappointed in Chrysler's designs over the last few years. I think '99 was possibly the best design year for Chrysler and if you look at their sales figures, it was also their biggest year for profits. The introduction of the 300M, the Jeep Grand Cherokee redesign, the Dodge Durango, which was just introduced in '98 and was still selling like mad, were just all great designs. Not to mention the fact that Chrysler had the Sebring convertible design from '96 that still looked beautiful. I've owned three Chrysler vehicles now and I used to be so impassioned about their designs, and actually would even defend Chrysler's nagging quality problems, that I, myself experienced, in one of my Sebrings, when the electrical system just failed with under 40K miles on it. It used to be that I could defend the quality problems by stating how Chrysler has such awesome style, that because the designs are so cool, you can look past that. Recently, I've felt that I've just lost interest in everything Chrysler has to offer. Chrysler was the last American automobile company that actually caught your eye on the road. Their designs were, for a time, the best on the road. Now, however, things have changed. Chrysler first redesigned the Sebring convertible which was ok, but definitely not as fluid as the previous model. Then they redesigned the Dodge Ram, notably, the only redesign that actually looks better. Then came the redesign for the Dodge Durango, which has to be the worst follow up for a vehicle I've ever seen, repellent! The redesign of the Jeep Grand Cherokee is dismal, and a definite step backward compared to what they brought to the public offering in '99. After, much anticipation, and crossing my fingers that maybe Chrysler would come out with something that would exemplify Chrysler style, their flagship sedan, the 300 series, they do the redesign and we're left with this, the 300. I'm not saying that the redesign of the 300 is bad, because honestly it's not, but seriously it's like everything else on the road, another box. It's such a letdown when compared with the jaw dropping design of the 300M. Chrysler, yet again has missed the mark, and now we're left with a design that is distinct, which is why most people are buying it I assume, but on the same token, not very "pretty" and overly bland. The 300 looks to me like a rehashed Mercedes, very square, very boring. The 300M, was classy and smooth. It was a beautiful vehicle, with wonderful interior elements such as an electroluminescent instrument cluster that set the industry standard for "cool" factor, that other car companies, have since then imitated, and an exterior that made one stare and just think to themselves, "I want that." Now all the redesigns are just painful to look at, and I'm forced to conclude that the last great American automotive company has died, and in place of it we have MB with its boxy designs and people actually thinking they are cool. If you already didn't know, the 300 is a E series Mercedes derivative and after looking at it, one can finally conclude that Chrysler is going down a very Mercedes influenced path with its styling, yet trying to stand out, even if that means having loud designs that don't necessarily look better than the models their replacing. The redesigns at Chrysler have been sacrilege, and this final nail in the coffin 300 is just a testament as to why I won't be expecting anything worthwhile from Chrysler anytime soon. Maybe Chrysler could take note from companies like Lexus when doing redesigns. When you have something that works, why try to "fix" it? Lexus has made their hot cars evolutionary, more so than revolutionary and people have responded positively. Their redesign of the RX300 to the RX330 was flawless, and undeniably better. Although, its design is not that much different, it still is Lexus's #1 seller. Designs don't have to be drastically different in order to gain market share. Maybe Chrysler should start concentrating more on reliability and less on design because they seemed to have had 1 of the 2 in recent years and now, and now as it seems, both evade them. Chrysler has thrown everything away and is starting from scratch with almost every new vehicle launch, when in my opinion they really don't, nor should have to. Just my thoughts, and for all of the 300 owners who are enthusiasts, I don't think the 300 is a bad looking vehicle, I just feel the 300M had "something" deep under it's sheetmetal, almost a soul, that just isn't there with the 300. Later...
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Re: Whatever happened to the Chrysler that rocked? [rmorse83] by shipo
Mar 10, 2005 (9:55 pm)
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Replying to: rmorse83 (Mar 10, 2005 9:23 pm)

Hmmm, different strokes for different folks. I too am a Mopar enthusiast, have been since the mid 1960s (errr, with the exception of things like the Aspen and Volare). Like you, I have also enjoyed the different bent on styling that Chrysler has always seemed to be able to give to their cars. Having said that, while I instantly liked the 300M, I felt it was a little too generic looking for my tastes. Now however comes the new 300/300C and while I admittedly didn't like it when I first saw it, I have grown very fond of its look. In fact, I like it so much that I'm considering a 300C for my next car. If I do get it, it would be the first new car I've ever bought with an automatic transmission (I'm on my tenth car with three pedals), as I have always considered being saddled with a slushbox a fate worse than death. In the end a car with a stick will probably win out, but the fact that I'm even considering it is something.
 
Regarding the 300 being an E-Class derivative, ummm, well maybe you and I have different definitions of the term. While it is true that there are a number of components that were sourced from the W210 E-Class parts bin (most notably the transmission for the Hemi cars and the rear suspension), it is not (IMHO) an E-Class derivative. What it is, is a distinctly American car with a few proven components from Germany, which helped keep the development costs down (and hopefully the reliability up).
 
As for "Soul", well, once again we differ, to my mind, the 300C has WAY more soul than the 300M ever had. While we are on the subject, don't get me started about Lexus, a company that produces soul-less cars if there ever was one. RX300? Ugh!
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Whatever happened to the Chrysler that rocked? [rmorse83] by bdyment
Mar 11, 2005 (4:43 am)
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Replying to: rmorse83 (Mar 10, 2005 9:23 pm)

You might have a good point, if I could read it,
 
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