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#1087 of 3068 Tradeoff? by bartalk2 Jan 19, 2005 (9:23 am)
Playing devil's advocate. The M-35 and RL have bigger engines, but their gas mileage is poor: epa 18/24 or 26. If the GS300, with its smaller engine and 6-speed transmission, has significantly better mileage, at $2+/gallon, perhaps to many people it's worth .5-1 second lag to 60mph.   By the way, the new Avalon 3.5L, at 3,600 pounds, has an epa rating of 22/31!
#1088 of 3068 Re: Two Tings! [callmedrfill] by 00boxsters Jan 19, 2005 (12:03 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 19, 2005 8:52 am) I had considered the three engine range German line up but did not think it was Lexus' plan because of their home market intro begining with the 3.5L.
#1089 of 3068 00boxsters by lexusguy Jan 19, 2005 (1:54 pm)
The other possibility is that the GS350 will only be sold here in the states as GS450h. Lexus has never said the US will in fact get a regular GS350.
#1090 of 3068 Sorry, Alpha by callmedrfill Jan 19, 2005 (6:25 pm)
Didn't want you to get all sensitive, I was just playing.     Maybe the 450h will have the power of a V8 and the economy of a 4-cyl?     Wouldn't that make the V8 obsolete?         DrFill Replies to this message: alpha01 (Jan 19, 2005 7:16 pm)
#1091 of 3068 Re: Sorry, Alpha [callmedrfill] by alpha01 Jan 19, 2005 (7:16 pm)
Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 19, 2005 6:25 pm) Dude, I was just joshin with ya     ~alpha
#1092 of 3068 callmedrfill by lexusguy Jan 19, 2005 (8:06 pm)
The GS450h is supposed to have like 450hp some horsepower I think. I really dont know what the plan is. Perhaps the GS will stop offering a V8 when the hybrid gets here? Perhaps it will be GS300 or GS450h? The V8 has never sold in any numbers anyway.
#1093 of 3068 GS300 and GS350 ? by oac Jan 19, 2005 (9:14 pm)
Although as alpha and DrFill puts it makes it ring true, I am still not buying it. Can 40hp differentiate these two sufficiently ? Price point will be KEY. If priced wrongly, it'll be hard to sell the 3.0L trim in any great number. The GS350 will make so much sense seing that most of the competition is already putting down 250-280hp anyway (TL, M35, 530, G35x).
#1094 of 3068 by boomsama Jan 19, 2005 (9:36 pm)
I don't think the 3.0L will be in the same market with the 3.5L V6. Infact, I reckon that the new 2.5L engine appearing in the next IS250 will act as the GS' base model. This engine is already in use in the current Toyota Crown Athelete. The 2.5L engine has 158kw (212hp) and 260Nm (192lb/ft) of torque. This would compete with the likes of the BMW 525i and the E240. Secondly, with rumours of the GS350GT (300hp 3.5L V6 + 170hp electric motor to create 470hp), I don't think that the GS460h will have an output of 460hp, but would have something a bit lower. Lexus still need room for their M dividsion/AMG competitor to stretch their legs. So finally, what I'm saying is that there would be 3 engine grades like the germans, the GS250, GS350 and the GS460h. Finally there would be a top of the range M/AMG competitor.
#1095 of 3068 I can't see by callmedrfill Jan 20, 2005 (6:47 am)
Lexus CANNOT MATCH BMW offerings, they must show a clear advantage because BMW holds the market (with Benz). They must underprice AND outperform/coddle to remove this deathgrip on the market.     The last GS was AS GOOD AS the 5-series, and cheaper, and was still easily beaten after a good two year run!     If Lexus puts out the 3.0 with the GS, that engine will stasy in the lineup, come hell or highwater, as to not devalue the model and hurt owners. This is a new engine tech that they want in the line, it will not fad-out.     I can't see them going down to 210HP, when a ES has 225HP.     I can see them dropping the eight down the line.     DrFill
#1096 of 3068 by boomsama Jan 20, 2005 (8:26 am)
As Lexus is becoming a highly regarded manufacturer, along the likes of BMW and MB, I think that a GS250 would sell as many people still buy cars for the brands. There are lots of people who are bored of BMW and MB as they are too "mainstream" and seek something else.

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