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#1098 of 3068 Avalon outgunning Lexus by mariner7 Jan 20, 2005 (11:03 am)
Avalon 3.5 makes 280, GS300/430 make 250 & 300. Does that make sense to anyone besides Toyota? Maybe GS will have different engines than 3 & 4.3!
#1099 of 3068 mariner7 by lexusguy Jan 20, 2005 (12:45 pm)
None of us get it. The debate just keeps going.
#1100 of 3068 by boomsama Jan 20, 2005 (4:16 pm)
They say the GS350 may eventually reach other parts of the world. A new replacement for the 4.3 is coming soon, the 450/460h. Somehow I think Toyota and Lexus know that it's strange that the Avalon will have more power, but don't forget that it only has 5-speed auto while the GS has 6-speed auto and is also a smaller car, meaning it should be able to go faster 0-100km. Replies to this message: 00boxsters (Jan 20, 2005 4:34 pm) mariner7 (Jan 21, 2005 4:38 am)
#1101 of 3068 Re: [boomsama] by 00boxsters Jan 20, 2005 (4:34 pm)
Replying to: boomsama (Jan 20, 2005 4:16 pm) I agree that the engine thing makes little sense to any of us.   I think the 6 speed automatic made about a 0.5 second difference for the better in the LS430 as memory serves.   Besides the AWD option on the GS300, anyone else thinking that the LS430 at nearly the same price would be a better way to go? I'd bet that the discounts available on the LS (since there is a big revision coming) and great residual will bring the monthly lease price Very close to the new non-discounted GS300AWD. I saw a number of 36 month leases in the LS 'prices paid' area in the mid $700's.
#1102 of 3068 Re: WOW [oac] by psychoart Jan 20, 2005 (5:00 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jan 18, 2005 10:10 am) "You are not alone in this feeling. It is preposterous that Lexus will treat the NA market with such disdain with a 3L motor, while releasing a higher output/displacement 3.5L in Japan !!! I am pissed big time... I think it is a potentially HUGE mistake, especially having Toyota release a 3.5L engine in the lower-grade Avalon (relative to the GS).    I hope that when it comes to the LS, Lexus better get it right. No screw-ups permitted." ------------- You have to remember that Lexus is a subdivision of Toyota, which is the actual family name. The Avalon is the proof of the very top model of Toyota in the US, minor some very expensive features that can only be found in Lexus. But it's a Toyota, nonetheless. Even a Lexus GS owner cannot look down on a Toyota (i.e. Avalon).
#1103 of 3068 psychoart by lexusguy Jan 20, 2005 (5:08 pm)
What about IS350 though? That would be the same as if BMW offered 325i and 330i, and 525i and 545i, with no 530i available Replies to this message: 00boxsters (Jan 22, 2005 7:29 am)
#1104 of 3068 Re: [boomsama] by mariner7 Jan 21, 2005 (4:38 am)
Replying to: boomsama (Jan 20, 2005 4:16 pm) What you say is true enough. In the real world, nobody goes 0-60 in those times, and uses 280 hp, luckily for all of us. But because it's easy to remember, people and advertisers remember the hp, not the sprint times. Image is everything, kind of thing!
#1105 of 3068 by mariner7 Jan 22, 2005 (5:16 am)
Yesterday I picked up a Japanese auto magazine, and saw a Toyota just introduced, Mark V. I think it's almost identical to the future GS. The interior is different, not nearly as nice as GS. It's funny how rebadging is an anathema, but will be practiced at the highest level by both Toyota (Mark/GS, Crown/LS) and Nissan (Fuga/M). It's because some companies try to rebadge junk, but GS and M are obviously hi quality products. So it's not rebadging by itself that destroys the brands, it's the junk products!
#1106 of 3068 by boomsama Jan 22, 2005 (5:32 am)
If you're talking about the Crown Athlete/Royal, it's the same platform as the GS. Are you sure you don't mean the Mark X? I'm pretty sure the LS is not the top Toyota, I think that title belongs to the Crown Majesta. Don't forget the LS is still sold in Japan as the Toyota Celsior.

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