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3068 messages, Last post on Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 AM
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How's it goin'? Been a long time. Funny article I read about GM's outlook on '05, with high Health care, no new cars till late in the year, and the full-size makeovers in Spring of 2006. Sales of Full-size SUV's down 5% in '04. GM's GM shrugs it off, blames Expedition for the drop (down 12% for the year), and sees a bright, stable future for GM's biggest SUV's. Betting their farm on that is....interesting. DrFill
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| You'll notice that both GM and Ford have been forced to make Highlander competitors though (albiet not very good ones). I think both are in for a bit of a surprise, the Excursion was DOA, and people just dont want a Suburban anymore. | |
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If they lose big trucks/SUVs, game over!! DrFill |
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Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 24, 2005 11:20 am) I must say that all the guessing about the GS' future engines is interesting reading to say the least. I can't believe you guys don't see what they're going to do its clear as day to me....lol. M |
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| Oh by all means then good sage, please enlighten us. | |
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I think its pretty simple. Lexus isn't going to do a GS350 until the next generation V8 debuts in the LSxxx. When the next V8 debuts, then and only then will the GS350 come to the market. You know 280 and 300 hp totals are way to close to justify anyone buying the GS430. The hybrids and where they fit are a seperate issue. Those who say Toyota didn't develop a new 3.0 direct-injection V6 for nothing car are correct, then engine will live on in other products. Possibly the next Camry where mpg matters more than in a 280hp GS350 because they hybrid GS450h will be the one for mpg seekers. Now what I don't understand is why anyone would buy a ES330 now with the new Avalon coming. It has the same interior look, more power and more room, only thing its even uglier. M |
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| Yeah that is a good question. The '05 Avalon has heaps more power, more room, and in Limited trim, basically 98% as much luxury. I have to wonder in '07 when the ES gets redesigned, why Lexus wouldnt base an ES350 around the Avalon, rather than the Camry. | |
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Furst, Two Tings: Furst Ting: I said that a while ago! I have already stated that the 3.5 should make it's debut in the GS 'round the LS introducion in Fall of '06. Second ting: There are reasons to buy the ES! Obviously the service, the fact that a lot of people don't want to buy a first year car (yes, even a mighty 'Yota!), and obviously the look is more upscale, not as generous and conservative. Driving a Lexus adds prestige to any driveway (despite what Merc would have you believe). I wouldn't throw away an ES just yet, as evidenced by the HUGE sales spike in '04 with the upgraded engine! The ES will be just fine. Many makers wish they could sell one sedan, one trim level, and scored 75k a year! DrFill |
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I guess I don't see any prestige in two very, very unattractive cars, therefore the one that represents the better value should come to the front, the Avalon...imho. Come to think of it I don't see any prestige any Lexus until you reach the GS,SC,LS level because the Avalon could just be rebaged as a Lexus and ES330 buyers wouldn't know the difference. Lots of serious overlap going on between what is supposed to be a regular Toyota and a exclusive luxury brand. callmedrfill, "I have already stated that the 3.5 should make it's debut in the GS 'round the LS introducion in Fall of '06." Sorry I didn't see where you said that already. M |
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You also missed the "Who rebadges" discussion as well? I don't know if it was in this topic, but it should be common knowledge (by now) that 'Yota/Lexus doesn't "Rebadge", they share platforms and engines, but make truly different vehicles off a given platform. GM is still trying to emerge from the rebadged womb, if you will. DrFill |
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