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#1127 of 3068 merc1 by lexusguy Jan 25, 2005 (12:58 am)
What you get with the ES over the Avalon is the service that comes with a Lexus badge. Toyota dealerships are rediculously busy, and Toyota certainly doesnt come to your house and pick up your car for service or anything like that. The '05 Avalon really is a better value than the '05 ES, but you dont get the "Lexus experience" with an Avalon.
#1128 of 3068 by merc1 Jan 25, 2005 (2:01 am)
I guess that could be a reason, but still.   M Replies to this message: oac (Jan 25, 2005 6:24 pm) alpha01 (Jan 25, 2005 7:38 pm) oac (Jan 25, 2005 8:05 pm)
#1129 of 3068 merc1 by lexusguy Jan 25, 2005 (2:04 am)
I definitely agree that Lexus will need to move the ES a bit further upmarket if they dont want the new Avalon to start canibalizing sales.
#1130 of 3068 I don't think these sedans are cross-shopped! by callmedrfill Jan 25, 2005 (2:42 am)
The ES has a larger, happier customer base to sell to.     The Avalon is positioned as a family car, but now with excellent luxury.     I don't think any Lexus customer will leave Lexus to go to a Toyota store, just on service.     I don't even believe Toyota cares! As long as they keep the sale in the family, the margins are similar, price similar.     Avalon's conquest sales should be LaSabres, Bonnevilles, Maximas.     I don't expect more from the next ES than the 245HP 3.0.     DrFill
#1131 of 3068 ES330 and Avalon vs 9 SUVs by sorter Jan 25, 2005 (4:37 am)
Auto market is very segmented. ES330 and Avalon appeal to different customers with the same price (limited and ES). But while having both cars, Toyota win more customers. If there is any true to the thinking of Merc1, then there will be no avalon XL and Camry XLE.   Remember, Toyota will have 9 SUVs, and toyota is winning.
#1132 of 3068 GS350/GS460? by bartalk2 Jan 25, 2005 (1:29 pm)
According to the Jan. 24 issue of Automotive News, the trade journal of the auto industry, Lexus will release the "GS350 and GS460" in the U.S. this spring.   What's the story? Replies to this message: 00boxsters (Jan 25, 2005 1:41 pm)
#1133 of 3068 Re: GS350/GS460? [bartalk2] by 00boxsters Jan 25, 2005 (1:41 pm)
Replying to: bartalk2 (Jan 25, 2005 1:29 pm) I spoke to my local Lexus salesman who was at a RX400h class last week. While there he was able to check out (but not drive) the 2006 GS. He told me it was a 3.0 liter V6 and not a 3.5L. He (not unexpectantly) raved about the cars features and design. When I asked if there was anything less than stellar about the car he said it was 'not the most roomy' car.   Lexus' tight lipped nature has gotten the customers and the press fouled up with misinformation, which is going to co$t them...
#1134 of 3068 GS350/GS460 by bartalk2 Jan 25, 2005 (2:15 pm)
I contacted the fellow who wrote the story in Automotive News about the forthcoming GS350/460, and he replied    "those are the trademarked names for the new vehicles, as appplied for by Toyota to the US Patent and Trademark Office."   Go figure.   Also announced (or trademarked by Lexus):   IS250/IS350 Fall '05 ES350 Spring '06 GS 450h Spring '06 LS 460 Fall '06 Replies to this message: wogey (Jan 26, 2005 12:04 am) oac (Jan 26, 2005 11:50 am)
#1135 of 3068 I am very surprised the ES would go that powerful by callmedrfill Jan 25, 2005 (5:48 pm)
ES customers aren't buying the car for speed. They might detune the engine to around 250, then give it full power in a facelift. I'd be pretty surprised if they go straight to 275HP+.      These sound credible to me. I had an inkling the IS might go around the 3.0, but it should be used by some Lexus. But this navigates around the 258HP in the 330i.      I would guess a the price difference in the GS300 and GS450 or 460 would be quite a chasm, so I still expect the 3.5 to make it a well-rounded group.      If they are using the IS250, then weight should be pretty similar to the current car. Hopefully they maintain the price.      DrFill
#1136 of 3068 Why they can't make the GS roomy is puzzling by callmedrfill Jan 25, 2005 (5:58 pm)
The LS is gonna be big, with a LWB model, so what's the problem?      The E-class has a big back seat.       DrFill

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