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#1134 of 3068 GS350/GS460 by bartalk2 Jan 25, 2005 (2:15 pm)
I contacted the fellow who wrote the story in Automotive News about the forthcoming GS350/460, and he replied    "those are the trademarked names for the new vehicles, as appplied for by Toyota to the US Patent and Trademark Office."   Go figure.   Also announced (or trademarked by Lexus):   IS250/IS350 Fall '05 ES350 Spring '06 GS 450h Spring '06 LS 460 Fall '06 Replies to this message: wogey (Jan 26, 2005 12:04 am) oac (Jan 26, 2005 11:50 am)
#1135 of 3068 I am very surprised the ES would go that powerful by callmedrfill Jan 25, 2005 (5:48 pm)
ES customers aren't buying the car for speed. They might detune the engine to around 250, then give it full power in a facelift. I'd be pretty surprised if they go straight to 275HP+.      These sound credible to me. I had an inkling the IS might go around the 3.0, but it should be used by some Lexus. But this navigates around the 258HP in the 330i.      I would guess a the price difference in the GS300 and GS450 or 460 would be quite a chasm, so I still expect the 3.5 to make it a well-rounded group.      If they are using the IS250, then weight should be pretty similar to the current car. Hopefully they maintain the price.      DrFill
#1136 of 3068 Why they can't make the GS roomy is puzzling by callmedrfill Jan 25, 2005 (5:58 pm)
The LS is gonna be big, with a LWB model, so what's the problem?      The E-class has a big back seat.       DrFill
#1137 of 3068 Re: [merc1] by oac Jan 25, 2005 (6:24 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 25, 2005 2:01 am) I remember once in College, I stopped by a Toy/Lex dealership to negotiate for a Corolla for the wife. The manager was telling me how a buyer wanted an ES300 but he offered a LOADED up Camry and the buyer refused. He simply wanted an ES. Period. Did the buyer know he was buying *almost* the same car at a better price point in the Camry ? The Sales Manager said he made the same point, but the buyer won't hear of it. He simply wanted the Lexus.   Merc1: You may not believe it, but any Lexus is looked at as prestigious, be it an IS or an LS. Your friends don't say, hey you only drive an ES or IS so that don't count as a Lex ? Do they ? Ditto for an MB. Most people simply say I drive an MB, even when they drive the lowly C240!   WRT Avalon-v-ES330, Avalon buyer demographics is slightly older than most Yota cars. The ES sells to upper middle class guys who would rather be in a Lexus than a souped-up Toyota; the latter remains the lesser-named brand, obviously.... Even if the Avalon gets a 300hp engine, the ES will continue to sell as briskly as it does. Lexusguy is correct, buyers here are not buying the Lex for the speed, its the total package of owning a Lex that is more appealing to the buyer here. Replies to this message: alpha01 (Jan 25, 2005 7:38 pm) oac (Jan 25, 2005 8:05 pm)
#1138 of 3068 bartalk2 by lexusguy Jan 25, 2005 (6:51 pm)
Just because Toyota has trademarked the names doesnt mean they have to use them in Spring. Toyota already has trademarks for GS300 and GS430, and thats what we're getting for a year.
#1139 of 3068 Lexusguy by bartalk2 Jan 25, 2005 (7:04 pm)
Right. They don't have to trademark GS300 and 430 because they have them already. So they're just preparing for their replacement (before they're even introduced)!
#1140 of 3068 Re: [oac] by alpha01 Jan 25, 2005 (7:38 pm)
Replying to: oac (Jan 25, 2005 6:24 pm) Wait, when were you in college?   The whole issue with the introduction of Lexus in '89 was the fact that the marketing teams had to break the perception that Japan couldn't build a luxury car to compete on the same level of prestige and (better) quality with the Europeans. To that end, there were to be NO Lexus dealerships that shared any correlation with a Toyota dealership.   Where is this Toy/Lexus dealership you speak of? I've never seen one, and I thought the Toyota Motor Corporation had explicit rules against this type of franchising?   I'll look for the exact page, but I swore I remember reading this in 'The Lexus Story'. (Its excellent, btw, and I really recommend that any Lexus fan pick it up... handsome 'L' logo on the cover as well).   ~alpha Replies to this message: oac (Jan 25, 2005 8:05 pm)
#1141 of 3068 Re: [alpha01] by oac Jan 25, 2005 (8:05 pm)
Replying to: alpha01 (Jan 25, 2005 7:38 pm) Wait, when were you in college?   Since you asked: Grad school in 1991-95   Where is this Toy/Lexus dealership you speak of? I've never seen one, and I thought the Toyota Motor Corporation had explicit rules against this type of franchising?   The Lex dealership was across the street from the Toy shop hence my loose association as Toy/Lex (owned by the same guy), and the Sales Manager used to work in the Lex dealership before moving across the street to the Toy shop. This happened when he worked at the Lex shop. As he stated it, he couldn't find the ES300 the guy wanted, and suggested if the buyer would consider a LOADED Camry as a worthy replacement (it's right across the street, literally)?
#1142 of 3068 oac by alpha01 Jan 25, 2005 (9:14 pm)
Thanks for the clarification! I was really surprised when I read your original post, so your follow up definitely helped. Thanks again   ~alpha
#1143 of 3068 oac by merc1 Jan 25, 2005 (9:23 pm)
"Merc1: You may not believe it, but any Lexus is looked at as prestigious, be it an IS or an LS. Your friends don't say, hey you only drive an ES or IS so that don't count as a Lex ? Do they ? Ditto for an MB. Most people simply say I drive an MB, even when they drive the lowly C240!   Oh I believe it, you have badge people for every brand, but in the case of the Avalon and the ES330 there isn't any substance over the Avalon to warrant any prestige imo. The ES330 is imo just that, a tarted up Toyota compared to the Lexus GS,LS,SC models and now it isn't even superior to the lesser "Toyota" once you look past the badge.   M

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