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#1150 of 3068 Re: AUTOMOTIVE NEWS CORRECTION [bartalk2] by lexi4life Jan 26, 2005 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: bartalk2 (Jan 26, 2005 12:54 pm) But who said the GS300 was gonna disappear? To make their line-up more complete, Lexus will simply have GS300 (BASE) GS350 (MIDDLE) GS430 (NOT FOR A LONG TIME) GS460 (TO REPLACE THE OLD 430)! That's all! Replies to this message: oac (Jan 26, 2005 5:15 pm)
#1151 of 3068 Re: AUTOMOTIVE NEWS CORRECTION [lexi4life] by oac Jan 26, 2005 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: lexi4life (Jan 26, 2005 2:39 pm) Lexus will simply have GS300 (BASE) GS350 (MIDDLE) GS430 (NOT FOR A LONG TIME) GS460 (TO REPLACE THE OLD 430)!   Now that makes a lotta sense especially as Lexus wants to compete against the engine variants of the BMW.
#1152 of 3068 Lexus will have 3 engines by callmedrfill Jan 26, 2005 (6:25 pm)
Maybe four by '08, as I've said before.      Is the 40HP gonna make you sell the car after a year? Is that THE reason you buy a car? I don't understand that perspective. If you would buy the car with 245hp, that's enough power for you. Why lose thousands trading for 35-40hp?      HP can't be why you are buying this car.      DrFill
#1153 of 3068 callmedrfill by bartalk2 Jan 26, 2005 (7:41 pm)
No, HP isn't the reason people are buying this car. However, the question is, depending on its weight, is that car underpowered by contemporary standards? The current GS300 is marginal compared to its peers, and its successor may also be. Thus the incentive to wait for the 350.
#1154 of 3068 by jrock65 Jan 26, 2005 (8:43 pm)
What bothers people isn't necessarily that the GS is not getting a hypothetical 3.5, it's the fact that the Japanese GS gets a 3.5 from the get-go, as well as the $28k U.S. Avalon, but the $45k GS is not.
#1155 of 3068 bartalk2 by lexusguy Jan 26, 2005 (9:23 pm)
Thats what makes the M35 such a strong buy right now. It's already got the 3.5L motor ready to go, and its the fastest V6 in the segment The '06 GS300 is pretty much guaranteed to be slower. I wouldnt expect it to be a slug like the old car, but I'm not sure it could beat an RL either. Replies to this message: oac (Jan 26, 2005 9:38 pm)
#1156 of 3068 Re: bartalk2 [lexusguy] by oac Jan 26, 2005 (9:38 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 26, 2005 9:23 pm) But an M35 ain't a Lexus is it ? Infiniti, despite their recent successes with the G and FX, have not risen to the level occupied by the likes of Lexus/MB/BMW. If only a car can define a brand, maybe it will be the G, but the M is gonna have to have lots of traction to gain attention and uppend BMW or Lexus here. Granted the M35/45 looks like a pair of good looking cars, but, and a BIG one, they have no real market history, and the one they had over the past 2 years is nothing to gloat about. Besides, doesn't the Max and the Q45 have the same pair of engines as the M twins ? I don't see these two setting sales records in their sectors, or do they ?
#1157 of 3068 oac by lexusguy Jan 26, 2005 (9:44 pm)
The G35 destroys the IS300 in sales. Just having a L badge on the front cant guarantee a victory for Lexus if Infiniti legitimately has the better car. Consumers are smarter than that these days. The M35 isnt a Nissan Maxima.
#1158 of 3068 lexusguy by oac Jan 26, 2005 (9:48 pm)
Granted, an "L" isn't a guarantee of success, BUT it sure buys one. IMO, its gonna be the total package of the GS vs the M that will do the trick. Maybe the M will win out, but we do not know for sure at present. And please do not go by the sentiments of the minority crowd here on Edmunds to judge how a car will perform in the market. This forum only caters mostly to hard-core enthusiasts. And we know how much land mass those people cover in the world of car shoppers/buyers.   If Infiniti advertises the M as they did for the Q45, it will guarantee it to FAIL. That much I can surmise.
#1159 of 3068 oac by lexusguy Jan 26, 2005 (9:51 pm)
The Q45 failed because it was a poor car with a sloppy suspension, and it was generally blasted in the press. So far the press is gushing for the M. Whens the last time you saw a Ferrari ad? If the product is there, consumers will buy.

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