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Replying to: callmedrfill (Jan 27, 2005 8:02 am) Tested are the M35, RL, 530i, A6 3.2, STS V6, S-Type 3.0, and NO GS300. Anyone wonder if Lexus wants to Avoid a direct comparison so soon? I won't give away the winner for those who are expecting this issue in the mail.
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Replying to: 00boxsters (Jan 27, 2005 10:38 am) However, I thought the omission of the E class curious, and I wonder why MT didnt just wait until the GS debuts. People who are "pooh-poo"ing a particular vehicle from a particular competitor would be wise to check out the article. ~alpha |
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Replying to: 00boxsters (Jan 27, 2005 10:38 am) I imagine no E320 because MB wanted to hold off until the E350 was ready. As for why MT didn't wait, they probably just wanted to be the "first" to be out with a comparo in this new hot segment. They're competing for readers with C&D, R&T, and Automobile Mag. |
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| While the M35 is at the sport end of the luxo-sport continuum, the new GS300, like the current one, will probably continue at the luxo end. | |
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I can agree that the G35 crushes the IS300, but Lexus is planning to redesign the IS pretty darn soon.... Also, the LS crushed the Q, and the RX easily outsells the FX, and will to a greater extent when the hybrid version comes out. Comparing Lexus and Infiniti is like comparing apples to oranges. If Toyota would tighten up some screws with the new GS, they just might hit paydirt. Then again, Infiniti probably will do well with the M as well. But the thing that I keep on forgetting is that a lot of people (who don't research cars) would pick an E-Class or a 5 Series automatically. Lexus needs to prove that they can have a degree of sportiness not as extreme as BMW's, but at least able to throw about. The main problem I have with Infiniti is that the styling of their cars is odd. Not bad, but the new M looks a lot like the G. Also, Infiniti does not have the reliability record that Lexus does. If you were a little old lady and had a bit of money, would you pop for a GS or an M? GS is my guess. |
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"If you were a little old lady and had a bit of money, would you pop for a GS or an M?" Exactly why I wouldn't buy a Lexus. Why would I as a young professional want to drive the same car as a an old lady? When I tested the RX vs FX that is exactly why I bought the FX. The RX was just all around too soft. The only cars that Lexus makes that I like are the GS and LS. If they wussify the GS by bringing over the underpowered 3.0 they will again lose another 40k+ of my dollars and I will be driving a new M |
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DrFill: Very interesting suggestions. Interesting indeed. Maybe Lexus is listening ?? But, I agree with lexusguy, Lexus won't do it. It simply does not jell with their business model. Kinda waters down the brand somewhat. Remember, their is strength in numbers ! Lexusguy: chris65amg said it best. Lexus and Infiniti don't (yet) play on same field. Until Infiniti can sell a full-size luxury car, they are not yet a serious contender in the luxury market that Lexus is designed for. Let me ask you a question: Of ALL Infiniti cars/SUVs, which of the styling do you find appealing ? Look at ALL of Nissan cars/SUVs, the Alt and Xterra are OK-looking, the Max/Sentra/Murano/Quest all suck, and I find the Z the best of the bunch. The trucks (Titan and Armada) are just plain awful, BIG, Yes, but awful all the same. I digress again: The GS will compete against the M, but I doubt if it will make that much dent in the 5 and E. These two will continue their reign in the lux-sport space. When the GS350/460/450h arrives by MY2008, then the space will change and the field will level a whole lot. Would Infiniti fix their Q troubles ? Not likely in the short term, and therein lies their archiles heel. Lexus is running away with the luxury market in the US, and doesn't look like they will relinquish the title anytime soon. |
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I think your assumptions are too broad, and I disagree with this statement "Until Infiniti can sell a full-size luxury car, they are not yet a serious contender in the luxury market that Lexus is designed for." FWIW, Infinti just spanked the 5-series BMW in the most recent issue of Motor Trend, topping the field. This is a car that will continue the strong momentum and increasing respect of Infiniti brand. And, besides... its only a matter of time before the Q is replaced. For me, this new M is a true luxury-sports entry, one that Lexus will do well to pay attention to. ~alpha
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Replying to: alpha01 (Jan 27, 2005 8:20 pm) Beating the 5 does not necessarily translate into a higher prestige than the Bimmer in *most* of the buying public's mind. BMW made its money on reputation, and they are no where losing that for now. As long as Infiniti is not considered at the same brand-recognition level as BMW, it can win as many comparos, won't change the market dynamics that much, imo. |
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Its all in how you see things because I don't consider Lexus to be on the same level overall with BMW, not to mention Mercedes. Both brands have many models for which there is no competition from Lexus, Ininfiti or Acura, especially Mercedes' upper end models. Overall I see the "regular" luxury brands in this order: 1. Mercedes-Benz........then BMW. 2. Lexus-Audi-Jaguar-Cadillac-Infiniti (all trying to get to next level overall, imo) 3. Volvo-Saab-Lincoln-Acura 4. ? At the end of it all its still Mercedes and then BMW, and then all the rest..when you look at the overall brand, imo. I see Audi and especially Infiniti stars rising, especially amoung enthusiasts over the next few years. The only way for Lexus to gain any more clout or prestige outside of their most competive cars (the LS430) is for the new GS and IS to be a hit with enthusiast, not the Consumer Reports crowd. They already own that group, but it isn't going to mean anything if Infiniti keeps their same CR/JDP standings while providing the "sport" and styling that Lexus is sorely missing right now. M
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